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Why Occupy?

Seeded on Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:19 PM EST
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The common wisdom, handed down by venerable elders with a bemused smile and a world-weary sigh, is that young people are idealistic; that you (or we, depending on how old you think I am) want to change the world, but that we will one day "grow up," make the wrenching transition from innocence to experience, and come to the realization that things are as they are, and that the best one can hope for is to play by the rules, tailor one's expectations to the ugly reality of the world, and surround oneself with what joy and comfort one can muster.

This is a lie.

The world is changing. It changes every day, by pressure from above (which we call the status quo) and by pressure from below (which we call resistance, dissidence, uprising, and insurrection).

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greenpagan

Whatever issue speaks to you-peace, democracy, economic justice, the struggles against racism, sexism, and homo- and transphobia-get involved. Vote, organize, study, argue, protest, put up flyers and circulate petitions. Make demands. Occupy. Begin building a better, fairer world, rather than simply accepting the one we've been given. We are the 99 percent, and we can do amazing things when we stand together.

The problem as I see it, in time--sooner or later--the Working-class wins. However, then what? Another degenerated workers state like the SU & the PRC? Maybe in other parts of the world, but we in the States have a different culture & sensibilities that are at once democratic & republican. Let's keep it that way. The enemy is Corporate Totalitarianism. And Big wasteful fraudulent abusive fascist-tending Govt that's been hijacked by it.

If another NKVD comes about here along with the Revolution, whose fault will that be? And what to do about the possibility? Better start thinking now.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:24 PM EST
Gulliver's Island

NKVD

What's a NKVD?

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:32 AM EST
Gulliver's Island

It could just end in a dystopian Soylent Green type of world.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:37 AM EST
greenpagan

How about SMERSH? "Death to Spies?" The Spetzboro?

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:51 PM EST
Gulliver's Island

How about SMERSH? "Death to Spies?" The Spetzboro?

Haven't read those.

I think we are powerless. Half the populist energy is still embracing tea-party rhetoric.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST
greenpagan

Re SMERSH? "Death to Spies?" The Spetzboro?

Just references to Soviet counter-intel in the good old bad old days. Now I can read James Bond novels with a straight face...

Half the populist energy is still embracing tea-party rhetoric.

Wow. That's a lot. Would've thought it had faded a little bit.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:05 PM EST
Gulliver's Island

Even people I know who consider themselves liberals say taxes are too high. They don't understand that cheering on tax cuts is cheering on austerity.

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#1.6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:14 PM EST
greenpagan

Taxes are too high. On the wrong people!

Anyway, the situation goes way beyond taxes. Its a question of how long will workers continue being oppressed at least in part by their own "mind-forged manacles"?

Like the man said, the point is to change the world. For the better, I might add.

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:34 PM EST
mymymy

greenp @ 1.7

Have you dragged your boney old insurrectionist carcass to any of the Occupy gatherings, or are you an armchair warrior?

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:40 PM EST
greenpagan

If you know how to read you'd know the answer to that. But just this once I'll spoon feed you. Yes! (I.e. Nov. 2 2011 Oakland General Strike)

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:51 PM EST
Gulliver's Island

But just this once I'll spoon feed you.

Why such a curmudgeon, comrade?

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:58 PM EST
Gulliver's Island

Taxes are too high. On the wrong people!

I'm with Robert Reich on this point. I'd like to see an earned income tax credit in effect all the way up to the median income.

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:00 PM EST
mymymy

Gulliver @ 1.10

Why such a curmudgeon, comrade?

a) because he truly is a curmudgeon

and

b) he and I have history (wink, wink)

  • 2 votes
#1.12 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:39 PM EST
mymymy

GP @ 1.9

If you know how to read you'd know the answer to that.

If that means stumbling around that worker's paradise you call a column, um, nope.

Thanks for the info. In this one case (Oakland General Strike), I am proud on ya.

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:44 PM EST
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mymymy

In Wisconsin, after months of miltant action in the state capitol, over one million voters signed petitions calling for a recall election of Governor Scott Walker-the largest portion of a state electorate ever to petition for the recall of a governor.

I'll be back at a later date to let ya know how that turns out.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:27 PM EST
greenpagan

Scott Walker is such a goober...

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:33 PM EST
mymymy

. . that's Goobernor.

  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:38 PM EST
greenpagan

It certainly is...

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:51 PM EST
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