
Are photographs of a mother breast-feeding her child indecent?
The social networking site Facebook has sparked a massive online debate — and protests — and after removing photos that expose too much of a mother's breast.
Facebook spokesman Barry Schnitt said the Web site takes no action over most breast-feeding photos because they follow the site's terms of use but others are removed to ensure the site remains safe and secure for all users, including children.
In my view, a woman who posts photos of this nature for the world to see quite simply has no class. I call women like this attention whores. These kinds of photos have no business being on a public site like Facebook. While breastfeeding is obviously natural and a positive experience etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum ad infinitum, it's not appropriate and inconsiderate to plaster publicly viewable photos of it online. I find it laughable that they are whining about Facebook taking them down, oh poor you. Get over yourselves!
The woman irate at facebook for removing photos of their mammary glands are still getting what they set out to get by exposing themselves, attention. Breast feeding is natural. Breast feeding while your out and about is understandable, it's food. But being in the privacy of your own home and posting pictures of yourself with your boob hanging out, why? Do these woman have husbands? Back off hubby, I can show my boobs in cyber space if I want to b/c I'm breastfeeding!?!? Yeah, breastfeeding is natural, posting pics of yourself breastfeeding on the internet is not natural. Get a life ladies, tho ur not proper enough to be called a lady. What has happened to women? : (
Maurice: For most men, a woman's body is the most beautiful thing they will ever see.
Jessie: What's the most beautiful thing a girl sees? Do you know?
Maurice: Her first child.
-- Venus (2006)
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The woman irate at facebook for removing their breastfeeding pics are still getting what they set out to get, ATTENTION! No one can argue that breastfeeding isn't natural and understandable, it's food...but what isn't natural is letting your boob hang out while you take a picture of it and post it in cyber space for the world to see. Are these woman married? They even disrespect their husbands by showing themselves for other guys to see. I have a wife and two kids, both breast fed, sometimes in public, and my wife did it elegantly and without drawing attention to herself or exposing anything. Hey, you want to bond with your child? Get off the computer and bond. What are these women thinking? Oh wait, they aren't thinking....woman's rights and freedom? How bout the freedom to have common sense....where did that go? *sigh*
sry about the double post, didn't think the first one made it on....
I see we're back to the judgemental and vindictive mode, here. How sad . . .
I see many things which, given a choice, I would choose not to see. However, I still have choices.
My first option is to look the other way (to choose NOT to continue seeing it). I have both the right and the self-control to do this.
I also have the choice to share my thoughts and opinions on what I have seen, if I am sufficiently motivated to take that step. In many cases, though, sharing my unsolicited thoughts and feelings is just as inappropriate as I judge what I have seen to be. An excellent example of this is when I see a parent treating a child differently than I believe the child should be treated. (Unfortunately, not everyone rears their children as I belive they should.)
When I believe my sharing is necessary, though, I first ask the other individual if he/she is open to such a sharing. If the answer is "No", it is my responsibility - as an adult - to accept that rejection and keep my mouth shut. Feeling offended does not automatically grant me the right to be offensive!
I will break this rule when another person's well-being is jeopardized, or when a crime is being committed, but I have to believe very strongly that such a threat actually exists before I make that choice.
We Americans DO live in a free society; but, with that freedom comes great responsibility. And, that responsibility (sometimes, this means keeping our mouths shut) is too often ignored on a moral whim. Allowing others to be different (different does not necessarily equal wrong!) is another (often ignored) responsibility in a free society.
When I see inappropriately attired children (and adults), or see children allowed to run amok in public places, or hear 'people of faith' spouting vile filth in the name on God - need I go on? - I have choices to make. Most often, the best choice I can make is to keep my mouth shut. I may not like that choice, but my self-honesty tells me I would be as closed to that other person's opinion as I know they would be to mine. So, what is there to gain from the confrontation?
Facebook has the right to make its own decisions. Period. That doesn't mean I have to agree with them, or that they must be open to my/our feedback on those decisions. I would hope they would be open to different perspectives, but they are not required to be. The most unfortunate result of Facebook being closed-minded about its own inconsistencies and arbitrary application of its rules is that it will eventually alienate itself from the public on which it depends for its existence.
In parenting terms, that is what we call a 'natural consequence' [ex: child refuses to wear coat to school as parent insisted > parent chooses not to deliver the coat to school later that day (leaving it at home was the child's choice) > child gets cold > hopeful outcome: child chooses to listen to parent 'next time' in order to avoid being cold].
As for the posted photo(s): It is not Facebook's responsibility to eliminate ALL 'offensive' material on its sight. In fact, it is impossible for that to be done. Why? Because all of us have different 'buttons' and different levels of sensitivity. For example, I find nothing offensive at all in the photos which were removed. If I did, however, I would still choose to exercise my first option - look the other way. The more 'others' are allowed to dictate what we see and hear, the farther we move from being free. I will make my on decisions, thank you very much!
Absolutely no one was harmed in any way by the postings. Nor was anyone forced to continue looking at anything they found offensive. They simply chose not to look the other way and move on. So, as been suggested, why don't we all move on to addressing some truly important issues in our world? You know, like war, bigotry, hate, governmental and corporate corruption to name a few . . .
Mac in Michigan
Yeah but ... what if .we don't have free choice? What if everything's determined and foreordained? What if freedom is an illusion?
Anyway...Breasts are a lot more interesting than "war, bigotry, hate, governmental and corporate corruption"...No?
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greenpagan:
In answer to your first posit: "Just stand me up against the wall and shoot me NOW!"
As for the second posit: "Absolutely! However, the suggestion was to address more important issues, not more interesting issues."
Just because something is beautiful and natural, doesn't mean other people want to see it. If you want to show what you're doing, put it on your OWN website where people who WANT to see that can do so. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. And why the hell would anyone want to post photos of themselves doing that anyway? It seems quite trashy to me.
I like to do it anytime I can................ha, ha.
O.K... I breastfed my first child, and in public, And I am breastfeeding my second child, and in public. Not one of my children or my nieces, Or nephews views my nursing my child as obscene. Or become alarmed and run and tell people they saw my breast. They don't highly care and they know my child is eating. My children also don't become alarmed or uncomfortable at the site of another woman breastfeeding her child. No child born into this world was born with the idea that breast were to be obscene and for sexual purposes only, your only taught such things. And how about this... I don't wanna see you stuffing your face in public why don't you go sit in a corner and cover your face with a blanket. And if you don't wanna see pictures why don't you stick to PRUDE only sites. Or don't get on the computer at all. And by the way everytime I go to the beach, I have to see all sorts of mens chests. Why dont you cover them up. And because people have the guts to stand up for themselves and their children does not mean they are shoving anything down ones throat. And wouldn't you saying otherwise is you shoving your veiws down someones throat. And it is atrocious to be allowed to see girls showing themselves for the world to see but a child nursing gets knocked off. And your right it is special moment. Sorry you couldn't embrace more. Or never got the chance to experience it. So, GOOD DEAL MOMMA.
Just decided to check back in to see where this conversation has gone and it looks like it continues to be more and more ignorant as the thread goes on. Some people obviously are just missing the point entirely! Rules are rules and if you don't like them, don't play.
OK it is natural sure. But if you want to show a picture of your newborn baby great, you do not need to put a picture of your breast in there. Surely you can find another backdrop. I think people are just trying to find something to get a rise out of. Facebook has every right to remove the pics and damn well should.
One of the dangers of having rights is that one sometimes comes to believe having rights equates to being right. I fully support your right to have your opinion and to espouse that opinion to your heart's content. In a free society, I have a responsibility to do this lest my own rights to do likewise be wrested from my grasp.
As I have said in other postings, our differences do not necessarily make one of us wrong; they simply make us different. And, I believe, we should embrace and explore those differences in an effort to deepen our mutual understanding, rather than exploit those differences to make ourselves feel superior to others in some way. Each of us has different life experiences, and that variety can be wonderful when it is shared, explored and more fully understood by all.
So, when you give blanket support to Facebook, you imply it has no reason to reassess its approach to censorship on its site. I would suggest this thread, in and of itself, is a strong indication Facebook needs to look at itself in the mirror and give honest thought as to whether its actions and well-meaning policies are in step with each other.
Recent American history provides us with many examples of 'rules' (laws) which were 'right' (by nature of the fact they were legally introduced into Congress, voted upon by our elected officials and enacted without judicial challenge), but which We (as a nation) found the need to openly (and, often, rudely) debate and eventually change.
As an example, I will use the Poll Tax. If you are too young to remember and understand this infamous part of our history, here's a brief summary: this law was used to to provide an additional barrier to minorities (in particular, African Amercians in the deep South) who wished to exercise their right to vote in our country. And the Poll Tax was still in place in the 1960's. The Poll Tax was law, but that did not make it right. In a free society, we remain free of tyranny by exercising our right to have second, third and sometimes fourth thought given when the public says additional assessment is needed. Without the ability to change our laws (rules) in a peaceful manner, revolution is a very real danger.
Welcome the discussion, don't try to extinguish it!
One thing ALWAYS leads to another. There is a TON of evidence on this topic. If this is allowed, the next step will be someone who wants to display thier "Johnson".
I think that breasts should be out (maybe a pun here) of the pictures...
I've breast fed all 3 of my children and am also a member of Facebook. I, personally, don't see the need to post photos of myself breast feeding...or never did, anyway...or, share them with anyone, for that matter. I was also very careful to cover up, when I breast fed...it's not that it's a sexual thing for others & I do think breast feeding is a beautiful thing, but they are MY boobs, plus, I never wanted to make anyone else uncomfortable. Unfortunately, issues our made out of the littlest things. Breast feed your kids, or don't...do what works for you, but regarless of if YOU are comfortable or not, breast feeding in public, the fact of the matter is, some people aren't. Same with the pictures. Take a picture (I had to have them of the last time I breast fed each child), but I've kept them private. Facebook is NOT private and although the friends your sharing with, may be fine (and even happy to see the photos!), others that may eventually see them, may not be.
Any activity involving the freeflowing of bodily fluids is best done in private.
Amen, Soldox. Simple and well put. Mac in Michigan as well. Just because something is "natural" and involves children does not mean we all need to see it or makes it right. Children "play doctor" and it is natural. It does not mean we need to see it on Facebook or any other public site. The real point is, it is Facebook's right to make their own rules. If these women do not like it, I still advocate they start their own Mommy breastfeeding site so they can have passwords and share their pictures to their hearts content. I bet you anything half of these moms "who just want to share their joy of breastfeeding" would not do so if they could not stir controversy by having their own site. Many of these moms I have encountered are not as "natural" as they would suggest. When you are breatfeeding your child to a point they come up and lift up your shirt....That is inappropriate. Then it is becoming twisted..no matter what they say. Breastfeeding is natural and nuturing for an infant....There is just no need to make something "special between a woman and her child" special to everyone else. Face it ladies, it is not always that special to others.
Why complain and then stay on there??
Hi, I signed up today with - its aim is to get all breastfeeding mothers off Facebook and onto there - its a free site!
No faces cover them like extreme arabs
What is this problem americans have with breasts
I am more for the ass as sexual stimulant.
So you have no problem with a toilet in the middle of a public room?
Unfortunately, we do not live a world where breastfeeding is revered as it should be. It's the only form of nourishment that is engineered strictly for that child at that time. Nothing else will ever come close. Plus it creates a level of trust that nothing else can; a bond you just can't get from a bottle. If every mother breastfed, the point would be moot cause everyone would be comfortable with it.
For the issue at hand...Yes, You can cover up in public & be discreet. You may also want to take a picture for posterity's sake. It's a very sentimental thing; something these women who are too selfish to sacrifice convenience, etc for their baby's sake will never understand.
Facebook should change it's name to Two-facedBook. They allow the pictures of these girls (many underage) with their boobs flopping all over the place. I would much rather see my mom/aunt/niece/friend in a sweet breastfeeding picture than looking like a hooker trying to pic up a trick.
For those making references about the perverts. Wise up!! More pervs are getting off on your teenage daughter's skimpy clothing than the breastfeeding mom.
And to one who posted here that "It's not a debate about the wrongs or rights of breastfeeding; it's about keeping what should be a bond between Mother and child, sacred and private." What about those previously mentioned girls flopping about? Keep that between you & your (future) husband. That's what's truly sacred.
For the people who mention their small kids being on facebook & "accidentally" stumbling across it, you're a fool. And a lousy parent. You're doing your kids more harm by letting them play on these sites (that are even labeled for teens & older) than the mom having pics of her child breastfeeding. Where are you when your kids are online?
All this being said, why not just make your profile private and that be the end of it? I myself don't want to share my breastfeeding pics with the world. But then again, I didn't post my young unmarried boobs around on the www for all to see.
And yeah...I gotta just say it. If a woman doesn't do absolutely everything in her power to make sure her child is breastfed, she's selfish.
I agree!!
Sorry gals but urinating is also "natural" but does it need to be recorded and shared with the world?
Get some class and button up!
Mother of Four
Your eating might be natural but what if it grosses me out?! How twisted that someone could compare breastfeeding to urinating- get some help!
Urinating is also "natural" but do we need to watch it take place? Come on gals. Get some class and get your knocker off the screen.
Mother of Four
Let me state for the record that I whole-heatedly support a womans right to breastfeed in public.
The problem, however, is that people are upset that they are being held to task to abide by the rules that they read and accepted when the joined the Facebook site.
**The rules are very clear** -- you women accepted them when you joined -- don't be upset because Facebook is upholding them.
If you don't like the rules, join another site that allows the posting of breastfeeding pictures (how about a PARENTING site) and knock yourself out. The world will survive even if your pictures have to be posted on a site other than FB.
Don't take out your frustrations with society on one simple website!
To whom it may concern,
In regards to the face book Brest feeding shut the hell up if you do not want to see it the little X in the corner of the page closes the page and the Mean women that is doing the most natural thing in the world is gone you don’t want your kid to see it block it. I am a Brest man. I think the female breasts are beautiful creations of gods work but when I see a child feeding from them, I am amazed that a women’s body is built for every thing that baby will ever need. I am shocked that you right to lifers are even arguing this point. That bear breasts are bad. You will castrate a male for rape and are all for victimizes and other thing in that mater but as soon as it come to something as natural as feeding an infant you blow a gasket. Its people like you that have given the FCC the power over our lives The FCC has this country in such a strangle hold with the rule and regulations we might have well not have even broke off from England. You killed our whole idea that this country was founded on, and people like you! Our god given writes are leaving us quicker then we can even see. Did you know there is a law that is never enforced bye the government that the only sex you can have is missionary and you my Not come to orgasm from it and it was only legal if you did it to have children if you wear married. You Mother against ever thing need to stop your bull @!$%# and grow up in Canada women and men can go topless in the same places what men can do women can do and the funny thing about that Canada rape statistics are down to a world wide low of .5% now figure that one out. Maybe because they do not have a FCC and people now how to shut off the dam thing when they do not want to hear, see, or listen to thing. Further more Canada crime rate amongst teen and adult is also at an all time low. Hmmm are we seeing a pattern. I grew up on sesame street, because of people like you charters we grew up with are gone like Snuffy he was big birds IMGANRY FRIEND. Parents @!$%#ed about him and he is gone he taught kids just because you do not have any friends that means some one likes you even if it is you. Thing like that piss me off to know end. You people need to get a life leave things alone and deal with your own problems like what is my kid watching in the other room while I am writing reading this long rant about you. Also to tell you a little secret ask your kid what bad words did he hear in school today. by the way, burn books to while you are at it I got a book that is first on the list this book has imaginary people in it gays, hookers, blood, rape, murder, incest, death touchier, killing of youths, ………… and it gets much worse. The name of the Book is the HOLLY BIBLE. You pricks lol burn that one you @!$%#s and your offended by a picture lol think before you act.
I hope I offended you in may ways by writing this because it is the truth and sometimes the truth hurts, and my langue is offensive because I want you to read this and get sick in what I said, because just maybe you will look to your own self for the answers to thing instead of looking for some one to blame for your kids mistakes and yes I am a father two and when my son dose something wrong his MOTHER AND I CORRECT HIM and not leave it up to the FCC or who ever Elsa I can blame because in the end its nobodies fault but your own. Thank you for reading please respond. And to all you people that agree with me please hold on to your ideas. That’s what will save us in the end.
sorry about the typos wrote kinda fast will be reposting gramer and spell checke.
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