
Passions flared in a Maine town on Thursday over a sign in a store asking customers to place bets on an assassination of President-elect Barack Obama.
The Town Council in Standish condemned the sign on Thursday in a 6-0 vote and declared it reprehensible at a meeting where some residents defended the store owner, saying he had a right to free speech even if in bad taste, local authorities said.
"The town of Standish condemns in the strongest terms any such alleged activity calling for violence against any individual no matter their position, race or ethnicity," said the resolution posted on the town's website.
The sign in the Oak Hill General Store asked customers to place a $1 bet on the date of Obama's assassination, and said "Let's hope someone wins," the Portland Press Herald reported. It was called the "Osama Obama Shotgun Pool."
The store in the town of 9,285 people in southwest Maine has remained closed since reports of the sign appeared in the media on Sunday.
About 80 people attended the meeting, including some who defended the store owner, said town clerk Mary Chapman.
"There were folks on both sides of the issue," Chapman said in a telephone interview. "People were passionate of their opinion but very respectful of others."
Obama's historic election victory as the nation's first black president has sparked racist incidents nationwide, according to groups that monitor hate crimes.
An ugly statement, but, within the bounds of Free Speech.
zennhead
Exactly.
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I have to say greenpagen,I am impressed with your research on this and I did take note of the facts that you made above,Thank you.
You sissy dems wouldn't say a thing if the roles were reversed, and the pool was for Bush. Oh and 97% of African Americans voted for Obama... That CLEARLY shows that African Americans are far more racist than white people. If 97% of white people voted for the white candidate it would prove whites are racist.... What is good for the goose is good for the gander as they say. Have the courage to admit you are wrong.
Some "sissy" dems apparently voted for the Bush regime for the past many years, you idiot! Do you actually think Bush got in office with ONLY Caucasian votes. There are Black and "other" Republicans. But what we did NOT do was run around posting signs, and crosses and effigies saying Kill Anyone or that anyone should be killed. We shook our collective heads in disgust and accepted the President that was elected, which we have done for many many many years. Problem this time, again, YOU IDIOT is that the elected one is African American and I suspect it would have been that way with ANY ELECTED President who was NON WHITE until................. AND that until may not come in my life time. So your post clearly shows you are far more ignorant than ANY people. Have the courage to rethink your intellect level. If.............
Numbers don't lie.
And actions speak louder than words too.
Yes they do.
Johhnylongcreek -- Wow, black people are racist for voting for a black president. Jeez now I've heard everything. Some of us voted for him becasue he belives in women's rights, health care and accountability. Get your facts straight man, don't take words out of rush limbaugh's mouth.
Oh and 97% of African Americans voted for Obama... That CLEARLY shows that African Americans are far more racist than white people.
Settle down there.
First of all, African-Americans usually tend to vote Democrat. On top of that, I can imagine many blacks (and whites) voted for him not only because they were closer on the issues to him than to McCain, but also because him becoming president would be a historic landmark for black equality in this country.
Yes, some people may have voted for him because he's black. But is that racism? And if you determine it is racism, is it the same kind of racism as white voters voting for the white guy instead of the black guy?
You need to look beyond the numbers before you draw any conclusions.
Let's see, one black candidate in 200+ years; that's about 1/2 of 1 percent per year
It's called "funny Math" apparently to that Johnnyshortbrain above, oops I meant Johnnylongcreek.
johnnylongcreek:
Shut the hell up and do some frickin research and you would find out that African Americans (98%) vote Democrat all the time. It's not only that they voted for Obama because he's black...he's also a Democrat....that scored big in the AA community.....it was a plus. So you and everybody else who feels the way you do need to get your narrow minded a$$es out of the think tank and come to grips with reality.
"Oh and 97% of African Americans voted for Obama... That CLEARLY shows that African Americans are far more racist than white people. If 97% of white people voted for the white candidate it would prove whites are racist.."
In every past presidential election whites voted 100% for the white guy, so did blacks.
johnnylongcreek you are a real, live, unbelievable idiot. who turned the computer on for you?
Oak Hill General Store (207) 642-3600
Standish Town Hall
175 Northeast Road [Rte 35], Standish, ME 04084
Tel: (207) 642-3461
I hear from the Town Hall call I made that the store is closed now and no one on the town has heard or seen the owner or many of his patrons. I was also told that the Secret Service and the town Sherrif is now involved. I also hear that they are now concerned about tourism. No one answers the store number but they do at the Town Hall, phone number plus option one.
use to visit Maine in the summers when I was a child and yet while most of the people were decent there was always a small element of the population that were backwoods and uneducated. these same people who posted the wager may well be the same backwoods and uneducated. the sad thing is that now at this time of my life I will not be taking my grand kids to vacation there and will be selling the properties at a loss if a loss I must take.
Glad to hear that. S. Elaine. I always tell folks that the best way to hurt a racist organization or establishment is to hit them where it hurts the most - in the pocketbook.
Whether it's suing them for harm they caused, or not patronizing the establishment. They may say they have a right to free speech, but we also have the right of not giving them our money.
Good for you, Elaine. If enough people call them, maybe they'll get the message that the nation as a whole is waking up to their bad will and ignorance, and will take them to task for it henceforth. We've put up with it for long enough to know what it really is, no question any more.
Do you really think that no one out there wanted Bush put down??His father, Clinton or just about any other Politician
Politics and Assassination go hand and hand .From the beginning of time
I don't know about you but I lived to see more than a few in my lifetime.
the issue is not assassinations nor the thought of one it is the public wagering of one. this will not go without an investigation and some jail time.
I am sure you are correct, Jimi M.
However, I think you'd be hard pressed to tell me of anything like this happening when Clinton or GW Bush were in office.
Then again, it may be a good thing to have the yahoos out in the open than planning in the dark.
I was around for Kennedy......I don't remember that much about killing baby Bush or Clinton....Saddam tried to get POPPA Bush...but I have NEVER HEARD SO MANY "americans" wanting to kill their president!!!!
are we truly a third world country? Maybe some other country like Iran will overthrow our president like america does!
Happy Thanksgiving, green. Are you having stuffing with portabellas?
Det
Happy Thx Giving to you too.
Are you having stuffing with portabellas?
I don't think they do portabellas at the soup-kitchen I'm going to.
Thank ya George Dubya...
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They have the right to say whatever they want, I on the other hand have the right to boycott the store, but then again I would never live in a place like that anyway.
Go Art Basel Miami!
Miami "really" is not that much better. I lived there for 10 glorious years putting up with the BS until Hurricane Andrew literally wiped me out near Kendall (the zoo area). Now I loved Miami, but let's call a spade a spade.
Just on the surface, I would think the town cop, if they have one, could just arrest the man on gambling charges, or if no one has bet yet, incitement or conspiracy. Any type of betting pool I'm pretty sure is illegal there, it's just people look the other way for the Super Bowl and the like
I suggest we sell his store at public auction since he is out of town, permanently I hope.
What an embarrasment to Mainers like me.
i knew something like this would happen to Obama.
Something like what, Yudi?
Let me say this,every single living organism has a natural instint to preserve its kind.That said,we as humans possesses a higher level of intelligence and consciousness which enable us to live togather with other species.I guess some among us are still evolving.
See Wild Rabbit above. Clearly un-EVOLVED.
I could'nt have said it better Morugamax.
:) So very annoying. But it takes all kinds...................
Lord, it has been so long since I have been called a little girl, he just made half my day. Now if he could make the other half by.................. oh well...............
I must press on to find intelligence! cya!
WTF, how do you come to the conclusion that Obama is a communist?
^5 to your comment Morguamax, ITA!!
Isn't the name Morugamax Lady J?
This is reprehensible and the action should be publicly condemned. However, welcome to the more pragmatic side of the U.S., welcome to America as it still exists today, and welcome to the real world of politics. The thin-skinned should not consider being players or even attempt to venture into the surrealistic and cruel realm of the American political landscape. So, frankly, in view of where we are and how far we've alledgedly come, I can’t understand why anyone is shocked or confused by such a horrendous act.
My sentiments exactly Andromeda.
Despite what has been said above, there are substantial minorities in Maine, especially within the southern cities not far from Standish. In general Mainers are remarkably tolerant and this incident is clearly an aberration. That anyone would have the gall to call this a free speech issue is beyond the pale. Since when is the aiding and abetting of physical harm against anyone, even in sickly jest, a legislated "freedom"?
Doesn't this go beyond freedom of speech? If our government could do any good here, can't it now shut down this business for causing a breach of national security and a treasonist act? I wish and think so. This shouldn't be allowed to happen toward any of our leaders, it's over the top.
Hi, read above. Already closed down.
Yay! Thanks.
then isnt burning the flag treason.
havins sanctuary cities would also be treason.
congress bailing out the banks with our tax dollars after we overwhelmingly did not want them to... is that treason.
dont get me wrong, I am to the point that I do believe there needs to be a thinning of the heard, but a hate sign is a hate sign. You would do good to go to this place, use the restroom and take a dump on the floor. Isnt freedom of speech great.
Still think America has come so far?
yeah right.................
A black man has been elected and you still dont think america has come far.
best case scenario you are difficult to please, worst case, you are a blithering idiot
See California, there is where your naïveté' shows! I am under no illusion that an incredibly unfortunate set of events would have to have happen in order to get a black president in office. Lets look, we have 2 wars, and economy that can only be paralleled by the GREAT DEPRESSION, record unemplolment, and american financial institutions over 100yrs old falling. If a candidate was as opposite of the current administration as they could possibly be, they would win! It just so happened that Barack was and is the best candidate regardless of the current condition of the country.
Now with that said, and all the racist comments on this blog, and articles regarding racists radicals around the country professing their hatred of Barack you really think America has come all that far? You sound like the "blithering idiot" not. I'll just wait and see what happens. Every time we thing things are getting better there is something that wakes us up. We thought things were getting better until Katrina, and look how that was handled. I don't beleive in americans, i believe in americans desire to do what's best for them, and they saw that Barack was who was best for them. Barack is in office, and no one loves that more than me, but I'll wait and see how america disappoints me yet again.
Wild rabbit, it's funny how you think that calling someone is a liberal is an insult especially after the last 8yrs, but I'll let that go. it must be all that "Blithering idiot" you injest on a regular basis!
Obama Fan, those two or more are hopeless cases. I said that because the election was not fully welcomed and accepted. And due all the racism that has been generated because of the PE. There will unfortunately be "those" types. Leave it alone.
Electing a Black American to a high office is not the same as accepting him in that position with a heart ready to embrace change and see the vision of the leadership even though they may not take care of all issues in the way you deem so. I am sure President Bush did not please everyone but he was never treated to death threats either, insults yet but not on the level of some of these fine citizens and Americans.
And actually, I am a moderate-conservative.
I agree with archon, liberals only care cause it's Obama. Besides it is free speech, they're not telling someone I'll pay you if you assassinate him. It is bad taste but yet again I think it was bad taste to even elected him!
K, it's not a liberal or conservative issue. Its a human being issue! We have known that barack had a target on his back since he announced his candidacy, and to see someone take bets on when some idiot would actually carry out this unthinkable act it reprehensible! This country has a disgusting history of assassinations, so to see this in a store, not in someones basement, not amongst friends at their friendly KKK lodge, but right in the open it crazy! The fact that you think it's only because it's Barack why ppl are incensed is pathetic! Anyone with a heart and half a brain should be disgusted by this store owner, and anyone who contributed to the pool!
K: This is not about winning an election and basically the store owners "Are" offering payment because they are taking money (betting) for someones financial gain on the outcome....PAYMENT. I am sure the same posters would be equally offended if this were in reverse against McCain had he won. Again, adding a cash Pool changes this from any free speech issue.
Yes, but all the liberals in this room are here for the same reason. They don't want their handouts and entitlements jeopardized before Osama can even get innaugurated. They really don't mind who is President of this nation. As long as he's Democrat and promises something for nothing.
See Troy....Ignorance!!! Ignorance is the demise of this country. You pretend to know why ppl who voted for Obama and you have no clue! You earlier expressed that i was "flinging insults" at your opinion. It wouldn't be so easy if your opinion was actually based on something real! I can say you didn't vote for Obama b/c you make more that 250k. I don't know that to be true! I HIGHLY doubt though. But i do know that Barack did not campaign on the promise to give "handouts" once in office!
All i'm saying is think before you type!
I don't care what names any of you call me.......but I am very disappointed in people...it hurts my heart that a lot of white people still have such hatred towards blacks. If a bomb it Standish (BOOM) right now.....white and black folks would be killed....if any blacks live there. It only takes one crazy person (?) to feed into the madness and their off to the races....
I pray everyday for him and his family's protection! I will go a step further, if he is assassinated those who created the claimate may start a civil war or have one at their doors!
Dismissing 'liberal bias' is no excuse for avoiding discussion of the 'specific subject' of what is going on in Maine right now.
I wonder if demographically speaking these people gambling on assassination odds, are the same who still think that W. Bush did great (that 10%), and/or those who think Nixon was a hero?!
The vile, unfounded slanderings that the president-elect received prior to the election from the hardcore-fundies left a legacy like big-foot! I don't see immediate 'racism' but Palin-fanned simpleton-bigotry! Note how her 'terrorist' palaver is reflected by calling the crude scheme 'Osama Obama shotgun pool'. No bets were taken on when Bin Laden gets one in the head?!
Geez...all this liberal rhetoric makes me want to puke. One man in Maine wants to take bets on Osama's longevity of mortality, and you PC police crawl out from under your rocks. People have the right to like or dislike whomever they want without being persecuted for it. If the circumstances had been reversed, nothing would be said. Good grief...all this altruistic pandering...now I gotta take a dump. Thanx alot!
Troy, you are yet another one who just doesn't get it! You can disagree with someone's issues without wanting harm to come to them. you can dislike someone without wanting them dead, and to take best on when it will happen is subhuman! the fact that there are ppl on this blog trying to make this a liberal/conservative issue is beyond all realm of comprehension! They fact that they are taking best on when this man will be assassinated doesn't make you want to puke but the "Liberal rhetoric" does? You are on the same evolutional cycle as the store owner! Do me a favor, when you take that dump flush your brain, and wipe your mouth!
I'm just saying, stop the crybaby antics. It's desparraging to me to see the mentality of liberals. All you guys do is take up some stupid cause that futher alienates one race against another. The man obviously was just (in bad taste) trying to be comical. I know you libs don't want to jeapordize your handouts and entitlements before the innauguration, and I understand, but stop blowing some meaningless prank so out of proportion. Would you be here if it were Bush? No, you wouldn't care. You just want to fling insults at me for expressing my point of view. Typical liberal.
Troy the only thing that is typical is your "Conservative" view on this issue! people in this country are scared to death that Barack will be assassinated. Collen Powell's wife begged him not to run because she was afraid he would be assassinated! This fear is very real, and to have someone take bets on when it would happen is inconsiderate, and a blatant disregard for human decency! The fact that you defend his actions by calling it a prank shows that you are cut from the same white sheet as this store owner! Your opinion is not what warranted the insults, your dismissive attitude for a very real concern did! If you want to post your comments, you have to be a big boy and handle the responses! it's not a typical liberal thing....it's just humor...
As long as the USSS are on their toes Obama will be safe. However, what I do think about is the fact that both his parents died young of natural causes. That said: May be live long and prosper... and do good things for the People.
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Let me see now. Its OK for me but not for you! Is that right?
S.Elaine Jones...........Good job!!
i am amazed by so many thing lately--yes i beleive that this guy is an a$$ of the first order and yes i think that is a threat or at least indicitve of inciting..theres always a wacko to read into "special messages"..and he deserves a fbi visit...and hope the locals shun him to send a message.....
its amazing--theres no thing like---wait and see how he does? no credit for exciting and inspiring hope in all of us? i'm white and i found myself feeling better every time i listen to his moving calming voice--and no i am NOT DRINKIN THE KOOL AID!(some of my repub friends) its very powerful to have so many diverse backgrounds come together, at some level i dont understand those that have a problem with that...read the paper -look at the news --prior to this election those detractors think it was going well?
the shop owner should get his head out of his private parts AND THINK WHAT YOU MIGHT BE BRINGING OUT IN SOME OTHER IDIOTS MIND!!!!!
hey troy--i for one am a white woman form NE pa---i consider myself a conservative to moderate person--yes i am registered as a dem--however i vote for who i think deserves the job--so i have a question for you---if u think all dems are supportive of Obama or whoever the candidate would be is because we all get handouts, are lazy whatever..did u think that people who were upset when reagan got shot were crybabies..did you think that jfk..rfk..mlk all deserved what they got?? do you think that its a joke only for dems or do u see that the laswt 3 were true losses for this nation...point being was the nastiness at the time funny also(meaning the actions preceding the deaths)---did u think the posters of kennedy--wanted dead or alive were pranks? just curious...actions speak louder than words and unfortunately that is a big truth.....where is the line in the sand for you troy? when does it cross over--and fyi--i also didnt remotely like bush but i dont find those same types of things funny aimed at him--it offends me alot that we burn our flag--so dont think that because i'm a dem, i dont work hard every day--but i believe that u reach back to help someone else get up...and some things cant be called pranks--cuz its only a prank & funny til someone gets hurt right, or does that just add more humor for ya troy?
Folks the First Amendment applies even to hate speech. It is a despicable way for this guy to express himself but that's his right under the U.S. Consitution.
a bet is not a death threat or is it.
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